Date: 05/04/2005 - 11:05 am Title: Saving Face
aww how sad i dont like that spikes so mean bput i understand that they have to evolve into a realationship. im so happy that u updated, this is a great story and i love reading it. please update as soon as u can, i cant wait to read more and see wat happens next thanx
Author's Response: I'm really glad you're enjoying it - angst aside. Thanks for the review!
Date: 05/04/2005 - 10:17 am Title: Saving Face
Spike may be an ass, but I think letting her train and learn how to fight is pretty giving of him. In a strange way, I have a feeling he's going to protect her at some point, and her being able to fight will help matters quite a bit. If she eventually becomes part of the gang, I think that'd be pretty cool, too. Hank's an ass, by the way- he should have something vicious done to him:)
Author's Response: Lol, your review proves that if I ever get too angsty for other people, I'll always have 'Ashlison' still reading - LOL! At least when Spike keeps being mean, I know you'll see the tiny shred of niceness in it, lol. Thanks for the review!
Date: 05/04/2005 - 07:48 am Title: Saving Face
Hey
I hate Hank more then Spike.....he's her father and can't even act like one.........Spike iswho he is for a reason.....and Buffy will either lay with the dogs eventually or make Spike realize their is more to life then violence and crime........she could show him what love is all about, and he can heal her soul.
Author's Response: Good observations - I'm glad you see that he's that way for a reason ;) Thanks for the review!
Date: 05/04/2005 - 07:19 am Title: Saving Face
Great interaction between the gang and Buffy. I wish Buffy would have kicked I.'s face in! Never liked her character, sorry. That's one of the reasons I didn't watch ATS too much, if at all.
Okay, anyway, I hope Spike feels like shit soon and realizes what he's doing to poor Buffy.
Luv, Spuf
Author's Response: Well she'll eventually get some skills, but it'll take a while, and even then, I'm not sure she would be able to beat Illyria since on AtS I know Illyria kicked EVERYONEs ass. As for Spike...patience is a virtue :) Thanks for the review!
Date: 05/04/2005 - 05:13 am Title: Saving Face
I LOVE it!! I love all of your stories, and I really hope that you'd update soon. Pretty please? =) You're one of my favourite authors and I absolutely adore this story. It's so cruel, and angsty, but still very Spuffy, since Spike's starting to soften a little bit... Really little, but still.... Just wanted to tell you this. Not that I'm alone of thinking this, but whatever. =P
Author's Response: What a great review loaded with compliments! :D Thanks so much for letting me know, and I'm really glad you enjoy all of my fics! (granted, there's only 3 so far, lol)
Date: 05/04/2005 - 04:12 am Title: Saving Face
Great story! It has a very unique plot.
Author's Response: Thanks for reading and reviewing!
Date: 05/04/2005 - 04:04 am Title: Saving Face
great update i loved it and i cant wait for the next one keep up the good work
Author's Response: Thanks for the review! Glad you enjoyed it!
Date: 04/28/2005 - 11:03 pm Title: Never Defeated
Not to put any pressure on you, but...I really do like this story. Just want to let you know that I'm still on board. :)
Author's Response: Lol, I cracked up when you reviewed again - never fear, new chapter is up :) Thanks for the review!
Date: 04/22/2005 - 03:14 pm Title: Never Defeated
love it..keep it up
Author's Response: Thanks!
Date: 04/19/2005 - 09:16 pm Title: Never Defeated
hey good start on this one im looking forward to reading future chapters
Author's Response: Thanks for the review! If you don't mind dark, then I hope you like this one :)
Date: 04/19/2005 - 05:18 pm Title: Never Defeated
Maybe I'm shallow, but I wasn't bothered by the rape at all. It fits the tale. It fits the characterizations. The fact that we already know there will be a growing relationship softens the scene as does Spike's little battle to kiss Buffy out of emotion and then backing off reminding himself that its just sex. I loved the chapter, violence and all and can't wait for more.
So, if people were disturbed by that chapter, what will they do if you decide to let Angel have a go at her (and if that happens, maybe you will have given her that promised ability to defend herself a bit by then)? Bottom line - you keep writing and I'll keep reading and reviewing (and I promise - NEVER to flame)!
Author's Response: Well some people have an easier time just remembering that it's a story, like you. Others, myself included when it's not my own fic, really just see the rape and compare it to our fears in real life. The scene was necessary and there couldn't have been a realistic alternative - the only one being Angelus (yuck). It'll take a while to redeem Spike, but it's really good to know that I'll never get flames from you ;) Thanks for the review!!
Date: 04/18/2005 - 10:41 pm Title: Never Defeated
wicked about the skills developping later, like a normal girl would have to learn to defend herself. I love this story!
Author's Response: hehe, I thought that might catch some people's interests ;) Thanks for the review!
Date: 04/18/2005 - 06:12 pm Title: Never Defeated
What I am about to write probably goes without saying (I hope), but I'm gonna say it anyway. I agree with most of what is being said here (and love the story, btw), however, I do think it very important to note the difference between rape of someone who has a potential attraction to the rapist (and has been sexually stimulated prior to the penis invading the vagina) and someone who doesn't have that attraction (and stimuaion). I'm going to venture to say that often times there is no foreplay in rape. Just violent possession. In your story, there was stimulation in addition to an underlying attraction. Having said this, I do not feel it correct to make a blanket statement (it seems that some reviewers are doing this with Oprah and various articles as ammo) that the body of rape victims enjoy it. True, some may. False, all do. Some rapes are quite violent and should be acknowledged as unenjoyable to say the least. I do love this story and eagerly sit by computer hoping for an update. In addition to liking this story, I also like your writing. Great job and thank you for sharing this!
Author's Response: Actually, I know what you're talking about, and I'm not saying I disagree. I tried to make this point in another review that there IS difference between some violent rape in a dirty alley and what I had going on here - but there was some confusion and it made it sound like I was saying it's ok if the guy wasn't dirty and nasty. Not the case, rape is bad either way, and I take it for granted that people would know I think that. I think the other reviewers weren't trying to say that EVERYONE's body betrays them, but they were only trying to defend my specific scene so that I wouldn't get flames. In short, lol, I agree with you, and hope you interpret it in the right way. Thanks for leaving a calm review and for following the story still!
Date: 04/18/2005 - 05:14 pm Title: Never Defeated
How to write a rape scene between two characters who are attracted to each other and eventually fall in love; Its a fine line between brutaility and wanting -- and yes your body does betray you -- again because its a fine delicate line. I am completely impressed with the way you handled this -- her emotions, from fear to reluctant attraction to her own body's betrayal. Its a line you walked very well. You covered all the bases in an honest and forthright way, no compromise to the story or the emotions, you didn't shortchange anything. Wonderfully writen. . . No flames. Kudos.
Author's Response: Your review gave me such a smile! It's really comforting and basically exactly what I needed to sooth my worries. I'm glad that you saw the emotion progression and thought that it was justified - thanks so much for taking the time to give me this review!
Date: 04/18/2005 - 11:10 am Title: Never Defeated
wow.. amazing chapter.. and yeah, people who get raped actually like it.. it's just cause their human.. and that's a fact courtesy of watching Oprah.. but, i hope there are consequences for what spike's done.. and very serious ones at that.. well, loved it.. will watch out for more.. thanks..
Author's Response: For anyone reading this out of context, Laine means the human body, not the human mind. Yea, I looked into it and people's bodies do betray their minds. Thanks for being so understanding as to how I wrote it!
Date: 04/18/2005 - 10:24 am Title: Never Defeated
Didn't like the chapter (with the rape scene), but I can't help but love the story. It has potential to be really good. =)
Author's Response: Well, you're not supposed to like the rape scene, because well, disturbing. But hopefully you'll see how it fits in, or you already see it. Thanks for the review and for sticking with it!
Date: 04/18/2005 - 07:42 am Title: Never Defeated
I will give it a chance.....I'm very interested in how you get her to trust the man that raped her....and have her fall in love with him........people gave me a chance in my story.....I can indeed return the favor........so do your best to make me believe......
Author's Response: I'll try my best! It's hard because he can't just all of a sudden get down on one knee and beg. He's still a bad guy and still in a gang. I don't know how patient you'll be, but give it until the end - his redemption isn't immediate - he has to change first. Thanks for sticking with me!
Date: 04/18/2005 - 04:03 am Title: Never Defeated
It wasn't to bad to read, and you made the explanation at the bottom of the chapter, so it was good. And Buffy did overhear a plan against Spike. Well, even if she decides to tell, I'm not sure they will believe her. Thanks for the update anyway!
Author's Response: I'm glad you weren't compelled to flame me :) Thanks for the review!
Date: 04/17/2005 - 11:36 pm Title: Losing Innocence
Don't worry, we're with you. The story is unfolding as it should and it's a blast to read. Thanks for this one, and for being brave enough to push those limits - makes for a good read. :-)
Author's Response: Thanks! You don't know how much the reviews these chapters mean to me, lol. I'm sitting here on edge hoping people don't get all upset, because it really IS part of the story and not just there to rile things up. Thanks for the review!
Date: 04/17/2005 - 11:33 pm Title: Never Defeated
good update. As for the flamers, I jsut read an article where they discuss how victims of rape often orgasm and feel disguisted with themselves. A person's body doesn't understand the diffence between reap and consent, that's your mind. Your body merely reacts to stimulations, which you get iether way. Tell that to your flmaers. :)
Author's Response: Thank you for backing me up! lol. It IS a difference between body and mind. Thanks for the nice and fact-filled review!
Date: 04/17/2005 - 11:15 pm Title: Never Defeated
Hmmm, I have to go with you, on this one, honey. Yes, rape victims don't enjoy it, of course, but...
When two people are destined to be one? It's a tough call.
Spike's a real pri** right now, we get that. But, I can't wait until the guy wakes up and smells the java. His guilt and remorse is going to be monumental, I feel it!
Great story, a little difficult to read at times, but worth it.
Luv, Spuf
Author's Response: Oh good, no flames, lol. I'm glad you see where I'm sort of going with it, big picture wise. And I'm very flattered that you stick it out to see what happens!
Date: 04/17/2005 - 10:56 pm Title: Never Defeated
for some reason it all reminds me of Frank Miller's Sin City and the hooker town. And for some reason I was strangely attracted to that town and the stories it holds, which is y im attracted to this story. So in short...I like it.
Author's Response: Good! But not all the girls are used for sex, hopefully you caught that. Thanks for the kind review! It means a lot, especially at this tough chapter!
Date: 04/17/2005 - 10:38 pm Title: Never Defeated
Not to sound redundant, but...update SOON!!! I just love this story (well, both of your stories, but there's just something about this one...) Anyway, this chapter was basically what I expected and based on the hints that you gave in previous chapters, it was inevitable. Besides, there have been plenty of writers who have done unconsensual scenes: Laure, Karbear, and possibly Sluggie, but I'm not sure about her. But one of my fics came close and I know how stressful it is to write. Great chapter, filled with excellent emotions. I repeat- update SOON!
Author's Response: Thanks Ash! I think this one is just a bit more lifelike? I mean sure, dramaticized gang, but these nasty situations really do happen :( Anyway, your support means a lot!
Date: 04/17/2005 - 10:21 pm Title: Never Defeated
I said it before and I'll say it again- I think the rape ordeal was tastefully done and depicted emotions well:) You know me- I'm in this fic until the end!
Author's Response: Thanks ever so! You made me feel confident about posting it :D
Date: 04/17/2005 - 12:09 am Title: And the Winner Is...
really excited to find out where you're going with this one.. hope you update...
Author's Response: thanks for reading and reviewing!
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